Girls Are Not Interested in Mark (For reasons only they know)
I bet you are all wondering to yourselves, “where the hell has Mark been lately?” Well some of you are aware that I recently had a (very) brief fling with a lady (one week, to be exact). While this experience was certainly brief, it definitely served as a learning experience. The conclusion I came to, after hours of over analyzing, is that I am too nice. Bottom line is that most women want guys who are assholes, because this means one of two things: either A) they might find some personal victory in being able to change them into the guy they want, or B) if this guy is truly an asshole, he comes off as being a great catch if he’s only slightly less of an asshole around that particular woman.
Now I know just about every woman that is reading this is probably cursing my name right about now. “Whatever! We don’t want assholes! We just want someone who is confident and self assured!” And I do realize, there is a line between “self assured” and “complete asshole.” But what I think most women don’t realize is that this desire of theirs is found completely on a subconscious level. I don’t think anyone actively thinks to themselves, “I really want to get treated like shit.” It just happens, because women find themselves in destructive relationships, because of the aforementioned desire to be with someone they THINK they can change. Whats the lesson here? Guys aren’t going to change. Sure they’ll put on a hell of a show for a few months, maybe even a year, then as soon as the ring hits the finger, they revert back to their old, asshole selves. If you think I’m just generalizing here (see: area of expertise #5), then look no further than the divorce rate in this country.
I should also mention that I set a personal record this past week: it took me no longer than 1 week to go into the dreaded “friend zone”. For those of you who don’t know me, I am the master of the friend zone. I have more girls that are friends (who have zero desire to see me naked) than any other self respecting male on the planet. I’m like the effeminate pony tailed guy in your apartment building who watches Grey’s Anatomy with you every Sunday. Only not as gay, and I don’t have a pony tail (but I do watch Grey’s Anatomy).
I’d love to recap the awkward conversation I had with this girl last night but I don’t really remember much of it. It was mostly a back and forth of “okays” and “ya knows”, with brief explanations of why she only wants to be friends, and “isn’t looking for anything right now”. What was funny about it is that she kept telling me how she really only sees me as a “friend” right now, and how we’re much more compatible that way, etc. I found this amusing, because I don’t think we’ve ever had a conversation that lasted more than 15 minutes, and we’ve known eachother for exactly one week. How does she know she wants to be friends with me?? For all she knows, I could be a dark, sadistic psychopath, that NO ONE wants to befriend. (Interestingly enough, I actually hinted on that towards the end of conversation, telling her “you know you haven’t even seen my dark sadistic side yet, you really should withhold your judgement of me until you get to know that side of me”. To which she replied “umm, yeah…I kinda have to go now…” I swear, it’s as if I do these horrible things just because it will get a huge laugh when I tell Steve the story later).
By the end of the conversation, I came to the realization that I probably am not really all that interested in her either. Sadly, I still am going about the dating process the same way I went about it in college: I.E. wake up next to a girl on Sunday morning, and have a relationship evolve from that. I don’t think that process works in the real world. However, I have no evidence that the standard process of forced intimacy over candlelight dinner with a complete stranger works either, because I’ve never actually done that before.
The question I will leave you all with is this: whats wrong with Mark? Am I really too nice? Should I move to New Zealand where the girls are less crazy? Is the college method of dating actually better than the standard real world method? The way I see it, if she sees you naked early in the relationship, there is less of a likelihood of disappointment later on (and for the record, I did not actually sleep with this girl). I think I’m just getting old, and growing tired of the typical female bullshit that I’ve come across and put up with for so long.
Now I know just about every woman that is reading this is probably cursing my name right about now. “Whatever! We don’t want assholes! We just want someone who is confident and self assured!” And I do realize, there is a line between “self assured” and “complete asshole.” But what I think most women don’t realize is that this desire of theirs is found completely on a subconscious level. I don’t think anyone actively thinks to themselves, “I really want to get treated like shit.” It just happens, because women find themselves in destructive relationships, because of the aforementioned desire to be with someone they THINK they can change. Whats the lesson here? Guys aren’t going to change. Sure they’ll put on a hell of a show for a few months, maybe even a year, then as soon as the ring hits the finger, they revert back to their old, asshole selves. If you think I’m just generalizing here (see: area of expertise #5), then look no further than the divorce rate in this country.
I should also mention that I set a personal record this past week: it took me no longer than 1 week to go into the dreaded “friend zone”. For those of you who don’t know me, I am the master of the friend zone. I have more girls that are friends (who have zero desire to see me naked) than any other self respecting male on the planet. I’m like the effeminate pony tailed guy in your apartment building who watches Grey’s Anatomy with you every Sunday. Only not as gay, and I don’t have a pony tail (but I do watch Grey’s Anatomy).
I’d love to recap the awkward conversation I had with this girl last night but I don’t really remember much of it. It was mostly a back and forth of “okays” and “ya knows”, with brief explanations of why she only wants to be friends, and “isn’t looking for anything right now”. What was funny about it is that she kept telling me how she really only sees me as a “friend” right now, and how we’re much more compatible that way, etc. I found this amusing, because I don’t think we’ve ever had a conversation that lasted more than 15 minutes, and we’ve known eachother for exactly one week. How does she know she wants to be friends with me?? For all she knows, I could be a dark, sadistic psychopath, that NO ONE wants to befriend. (Interestingly enough, I actually hinted on that towards the end of conversation, telling her “you know you haven’t even seen my dark sadistic side yet, you really should withhold your judgement of me until you get to know that side of me”. To which she replied “umm, yeah…I kinda have to go now…” I swear, it’s as if I do these horrible things just because it will get a huge laugh when I tell Steve the story later).
By the end of the conversation, I came to the realization that I probably am not really all that interested in her either. Sadly, I still am going about the dating process the same way I went about it in college: I.E. wake up next to a girl on Sunday morning, and have a relationship evolve from that. I don’t think that process works in the real world. However, I have no evidence that the standard process of forced intimacy over candlelight dinner with a complete stranger works either, because I’ve never actually done that before.
The question I will leave you all with is this: whats wrong with Mark? Am I really too nice? Should I move to New Zealand where the girls are less crazy? Is the college method of dating actually better than the standard real world method? The way I see it, if she sees you naked early in the relationship, there is less of a likelihood of disappointment later on (and for the record, I did not actually sleep with this girl). I think I’m just getting old, and growing tired of the typical female bullshit that I’ve come across and put up with for so long.

32 Comments:
Hey man, don't be so hard on yourself... I watch Grey's too.
Aww Mark, you make me want to come over there and give you a hug and a big sloppy kiss (ever noticed how disgusting the word ‘sloppy’ is?).
While I agree with you that there are women out there who tend to go for the ‘arsehole’, this is not a trait found in all of the female species. I for one have always gone for the nice guys. Have you thought that maybe YOU are choosing the wrong women? Bare with me on this, without the use of hands to gesticulate I find it more difficult to explain things. Maybe you are attracted to women who are looking for ‘bad boys’. Perhaps in a drunken state in a pub you appear to be that bad boy they are looking for. But then I don’t know, maybe women are just crazy.
You need to find someone who appreciates your sense of humour and kind heart, and who displays the same traits. To truly judge this you need to try the Real World method. But if you move to New Zealand I will look after you and introduce you to all the single girls I can find. However, I don’t know if they would necessarily be any less crazy.
P.s, I don’t think you should go out with women called Nimfrkoh, I mean how weird must her parents be? :)
There is a quote that says the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result. If you keep making the same friends, chasing the same girls doing the same things the same ways and somehow expect things to be different than they've always been, you're a fool.
Change your dating pool, switch up your drink, use a different line, don't give out the sex so easily/quickly, etc. Do something to shake the system up. Try doing the candlelight dinner thing. Take a date somewhere you've never been before. Tell a girl you don't want to be friends. Tell a girl that is your friend you want more. DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE SAME OLE', SAME OLE.
Clear the mechanism.
-B
Most women suck. It's the truth and if you are a woman and you are reading this, just admit it. Stop lying to yourselves bitches!!! You just haven't found a decent one. Needle in a haystackish. But going through it feels like that scene out of Saw II. You know, the one where that big dude throws that chick in the barrell of syringes. Now I'm getting turned on...
"The Coat Bandit"
Jesus man where do you start? You've got a lot of things to change, but I think first you need to put yourself out there.
Give this b!tch one day and get over her. 1 day for every week you've dated is the rule on how long you need on the sidelines before you get back in the game.
Mr Coat Bandit
I have a feeling your misogynistic feelings are a result of personal experiences, and little wonder if that is how you treat women. 'Tis a vicious cycle.
Mark, if you think an arsehole like that is a turn-on for women you would be sadly mistaken.
Actually lis you'd be surprised at the tail that dude gets. And that guy is a huge jerk.
And as a guy who's been a jerk I can honestly say that women are attracted to a$$holes.
Like Marky-poo said, there is a fine line between confident and egocentric, and sometimes its a blurry line.
If you want to tell people that you've never found a real jerk to be attractive that's fine, but don't skews mark's perception by speaking for the entire population.
That's not really helping Mark at all.
Mr anonymous - whomever you might be,
I have already stated that there are women who are attracted to the jerk; a la Coat Bandit. Therefore I am not making a sweeping generalisation when I say that not ALL women swoon at the arrogant mutterings of an Errol Flynn like character. I think you'll find you have cast your own generalisation, just because you happened to attract a certain type of person in your jerk days.
And if you honestly think the opinion of one person is going to skew Mark's own perception then
I think you seriously underestimate his intelligence.
All I'm trying to do is offer my own experience, and I do believe I am not the only female who likes the good guys. In fact I know I'm not.
Oh my dear Lis. You have yet to open your eyes to reality. You might be one of the few decent girls so don't think I'm pointing the finger at anyone in particular. Just about all women are catty, backstabbing, hypocrites. It's not your fault, its just in your emotional nature. You want to be the prettiest, you need the most attention and you are always competing for the guy.
To me, the best characteristic to have in a girl is that she is not a slut. I couldn't count the number of times my girlfriend's(past or present) best friend wanted to sleep with me. Oh yeah, watch out for sister's also. How many times have you heard the expression "I'm not this type of girl." Yes!!! You are that type of girl so stop with the lies already. You don't see me covering the truth of the one night stand by saying that it never happens.
I was just talking to a friend last night about women. BTW, this guy is a very good looking, charasmatic person who has never had a problem getting girls. So I ask my friend - "How many times has a girl told you to stop." The answer was "never." To be honest I've had a girl stop me twice, one was a virgin (which changed quickly) and the other is my girlfriend now. I am always the one that doesn't take it to the next level. If I couldn't say no, I would have slept with so many girls that I really couldn't give you a number. Do none of these girls care about STD's. All i have to say on this subject is - Have some decency and don't just give up the tang tang on just any drunk night.
Just one guys experience
"The Coat Bandit"
Mark, you are also probably looking in the wrong place. People live in the city to be single and have fun. So most girls you meet/hook up with aren't going to be in it for the long haul. I'm not saying live in the boring ass suburbs like myself but realize what most of the women are like in your surroundings. Also, taking a girl home when she is wasted is probably not the best way to start a meaningful relationship. In other words - City girls are money grubbing whores. - for the most part :)
"The Coat Bandit"
Please never refer to me as 'dear' ever again, it is patronising as I feel no affection towards you nor vice-versa.
As I have already mentioned, but I guess I must repeat myself, perhaps it is the women you are picking up. As you said yourself, it is but one man's experience. Because of who you are, you probably tend to attract a certain type, and for some reason you don't particularly like this type, although I'm sure that doesn't stop you from thaking her home.
If you genuinely judge a girl on her sexual history above anything else then I feel sorry for you. Somehow you have remained half a century behind the rest of the world.
But there really is little point in seriously argunig with you as you clearly have some deeper issues with the other sex.
I can attest to the issues Coat Bandit has with the opposite sex. DEEP issues....I think he was touched at an early age....if you know what I mean
Yes I would judge a girl if she tells me she has been with 50+ guys, I care for my health. If that makes me "old fashioned", so be it.
And yes my issue is....
8==> very, very small penis. (actual size)
"The Coat Bandit"
Hey Mark, too bad your sex life isn't as active as your blog.
"The Coat Bandit"
This is what I know Lis:
Almost every major men's and women's magazine dedicates one article a year to why women are attracted to jerks.
To think that a small population of women exist that are attracted to jerks is somewhat asinine.
And I think Mark is highly influenced by you're opinion because he made an off handed New Zealand comment in his original post. You're being naive.
You're not helping mark by coddling him. You're crippling him and just helping him repeat the process.
This guy needs to be told the blunt truth. Women like guys who are confident, and are willing to take charge in a relationship.
Unfortunately this often time ends up with the guy just being a completely a$$hole and the women doesn't realize it until its too late.
I don't know a single women that wakes up and says "I'm going to find a real f'n jerk and date him", but the reality is what they are looking for is very closely related to the typical jerk that the "coat bandit", and myself are. Think cilantro and parsley.
So don't sugar coat stuff with Mark. Just tell him the truth so he can become a better person.
Oh, and get a better picture of yourself. It looks horrible.
Dude, you're not going to insult Lis with a simple comment like "your picture sucks." She's far too intelligent and secure for that. Why don't you call her a "stupidface" while you're at it? Mark, the part that I find the funniest about this is the advice of "switch up your dating pool, change things up, ask out different girls, or take them to different places." Dude! Why didn't we think of that?! All we have to do is focus on a DIFFERENT cross-section of the plethora of girls we know and meet on a regular basis. I mean, what does this guy think we're doing, moseying along like unaffiliated freshmen, scraping together whatever we can, and jumping at any opportunity that comes by, which is roughly every six months?
I am telling the truth as I see it, I'm sorry if you feel otherwise. If you feel that Mark will become a 'better person' by following your jerkish behaviour then so be it. I don't think he has to change to find the right girl.
And since when did rubbishy magazines aticles become gospel?
As for your last remark, real mature - doo doo head.
My typing skills are declining somewhat, sorry.
Can we switch to the other point of view for a minute - I know far more crazy/needy girls with boyfriends than sane/independent girls with boyfriends, so clearly you boys are making the wrong choices as well...you can't completely exclude yourselves from the equation. I know I'm speaking from purely anecdotal evidence, but aren't broad generalizations the whole point of this blog?
Exactly....well, sort of, its become less "broad generalizations" lately, and more like "generalizations about broads"
Mark, I think you need more women's opiniions here. Oh yeah, nice pun by the way :).
And thanks Steve.
But I must say that I'm a little concerned that you guys seem to think that the majority of women are crazy/needy/bitchy/slutty and what other negative adjectives you can come up with. I just don't think it is very fair. Is this what you really think, or have I stumbled across a macho boy talk of little substance?
No, it's not really what we think. It's an argument that's inherently going to have a bias. Kind of like how the vast majority of comments in restaurant customer comment boxes are going to tend to be negative. People who have a strong opinion on this subject are going to tend to be people who have been burned, likely multiple times (such as myself or Mark). People who found their life mate at age 20 aren't likely to speak out on the deplorable traits of men or women that they claim exist across the entire gender. I've been in this argument so many times I just roll my eyes any more: Girl: "Guys suck because they do this and this and this..." Guy: "Oh yeah? Well, girls suck because they do this and this and this..." Really? So, you mean we're just picking out people's extreme negative traits because they're more noticeable and applying them to the population as a whole? Ya don't say. It's much easier to make a negative blanket statement about a group of people than it is to recognize that our experiences have been simply one sequence of events, which, while seemingly incredibly unfair, is still merely the way our life has played out, no matter how many similar examples you may have to point to. Certainly this experience is likely to leave one embittered and jaded, but to actually believe in the statements that begin with "all women..." is to give up and surrender to ignorance and prejudice.
I see. Well I guess I’ll have to accept that. But I feel that I must point out that I would never bitch about men in such a manner. My best friends are male and it wouldn’t be fair to put them in the same category as some of the less desirable I have come across. Surely we should just judge people individually and not by their sex. What next, shall we categorise everyone by nationality and religion? I’m sorry for the grievances certain women have brought you, but I don’t think every woman should feel the brunt of that.
And think of it this way, if you were gay you would probably come across the same sort of men as those women you disdain.
I know it all sounds very egalitarian but it is how I feel, I don’t mean to preach. :)
Happy hunting.
all women are awesome
I think you misunderstood, that's pretty much the point I was making. That all people are individuals and should be judged separately, and that blanket statements and broad generalizations just perpetuate the stereotypes that we gravitate towards because it's an easier way to explain our lives. I was merely explaining why these generalizations take place, not participating in them myself.
Anonymous has the right idea, women want a confident guy, but I disagree about "willing to take charge" stuff. That goes into jerk territory.
Hey Steve, do you REALLY convince girls to go out with you with that PC front?
Ladies, I can count on one hand the amount of guys that don't talk like I do when your not around (including men of the cloth). I just don't sugar coat it.
"The Coat Bandit"
I actually did misunderstand Steve, for some reason I read 'No, it's really what we think'. Maybe I was just looking for an argument :).
And MILF Factor, I don't think Steve is being 'PC' just honest, which I admire.
Hi I'm Lis.
Blah Blah Blah.
I talk and nothing meaningful comes out.
Blah Blah Blah.
Mark, is this guy actually a friend of yours, or is he your annoying 11 year old nephew?
I'm sorry did you say something?
Blah, blah, blah, blah....
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